Battlestar Galactica Season 3 Finale SPOILERS
Ok if in case you didn’t read the title of this post, it has the word spoiler in it for a reason, not interested in finding out what has happened on the end of the third season then pretty please with a cherry on top go somewhere else and you don’t ever need to blame me for ruining anything for you. Good everyone else here?
Watched it yesterday and I’ve got to say I was pretty damn excited about this episode. I got back home at a normal time and went straight to downloading the episode. All the while I was waiting for the other shoe to drop. The big massive revelation; who is the Cylon, who is the Cylon. I don’t get one I get 4 of them, definitely didn’t see that one coming, especially Saul as one that’s come out of NOWHERE. I’m sure they’ve thought this one through, but seriously how the hell does that actually work? He’s like over 50 years old and that’s how old the Cylons are right? At least that’s what we were originally led to believe.
So I did a bit of researching. Ron Moore’s podcast isn’t up on the scifi channel yet however if you look around you’ll be able to find a couple of interviews scattered around the place where he talks about things.
The biggest twist of couse was definitely Starbuck’s appearance at the end of the show. I honestly didn’t expect that. I’ve got to say that while listening to Ron’s commentary regarding the reasons to kill off Starbuck never rang true with me. It seemed as though it was all about the AUDACITY of it all, which felt a little bit on the weak side. It’s nice to see how they’ve pulled one of the best cons in recent television history. ‘Kill off a character’, have actress in on it as well so all her interviews point that she’s going to be moving on, don’t insert her name in the credits of the actual episode and then have her come back right at the end. Of course there are a lot of unanswered questions but it’s definitely one of the better endings on the show which always has pretty spectacular cliffhanger season endings.
Also I really loved ‘All along the Watchtower’ cover by Bear McCreary and his brother, definitely will be getting that once it’s available from somewhere.
I loved the episode - Starbuck coming back was a given and easily predictable, but they still did it in style.
As far as the 4 Cylons go - I’m not sure I believe they are Cylons. It seems to easy for them to all hear some music and all meet up in the same spot and “Oh! I guess we’re Cylons, huh? Well frak… that sucks. Oh well - back to work.”
It would make for some very interesting internal conflict with the characters - trying to act like humans, trick everyone into thinking they are humans, while they all know they are Cylons. But, I dunno, it all seems very shady to me - how it was accomplished.
I think the music those 4 heard will end up being the answer as to why Gaias and #6 can essentially implant themselves into one another’s conscious. I am curious as to whether or not those 4 are from the same planet - in their childhood - as well, it could possibly be something related to that.
As far as the 5th Cylon goes - there are a lot of options out there, some of which could be amazing if pulled off correctly.
Starbuck: A little to obvious, which is why I don’t think so. I assume Leoden was in the ship when she “crashed” and took her to see Earth, he obviously has some sort of connection with her.
Lee Adama: Leoden told Starbuck, “Adama is a Cylon,” we all just assumed he meant the Admiral. What if… Lee Adama was conceived via an affair (as far as the Admiral knew), when in reality.
Callie: I don’t think this either, because she isn’t a very important character. But, if she’s not and Chief is - we have another hybrid baby on our hands.
All in all - Pay attention to Starbuck and Leoden, they are the only ones that really matter. Everyone else are secondary characters around the interaction between those two.
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I’ll have to agree with Michael on this. I don’t think Tigh, Tyrol, Tory and Anders are Cylons. You have to consider that the only reason they jumped to that conclusion was that they were all hearing (and reciting the lyrics to) All Along the Watchtower, a song first recorded by Bob Dylan in 1967. Theoretically, the song has nothing to do with the remote colonies, the Four’s lifetimes, or the Cylons. Since our radio broadcasts can theoretically escape out to space and travel an unknown distance, it could be possible that the Four are (for whatever reason) the only ones aboard Galactica hearing a stray broadcast, but it doesn’t mean that they’re Cylons.
Also, you have to remember how the original series ended. The crew of the Galactica arrived in Earth’s orbit in the year 1980 and were shocked to find that we were in no position technology-wise to thwart a Cylon assault. If the Galactica that we know is also poised for arrival any time in the late 20th century or even 21st century, then the possibility of them hearing a stray radio broadcast from the 1960s or even 1970s makes some sense. However, I’m not a physicist, so this is my best guess. It just sounds logical to me.
I believe that it’s far more for Baltar and Roslin to be Cyclons. After all, they’ve both had experiences in the Cylon dreamscape. And, when Roslin was sharing a dream with Athena, Six, and Hera, where were Tigh, Tyrol, Tory and Anders? Why didn’t they share the same dream as well? Also, during the trial Roslin begins to fall asleep, when (in the background) she and the red-haired reporter woman suddenly stand up and lock eyes, just like when she and Athena awoke in sickbay. Now, we know that there are five unknown Cylons, and Tigh, Tyrol, Tory and Anders make only four, but Baltar, Roslin, the red-haired reporter woman and her two friends who help her escort Baltar to his “new life” make five.
So, that’s just my theory. I guess we’ll find out for sure next season (I hope).
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Roslin as a Cylon and the last one I can imagine however I think you’re stetching with the broadcast of the song. Not really sure what the significance actually is however 1960s broadcast to the Galactica, I don’t see it seeing as it’s a cover :). Look if we’re going to come up with crazy schemes then at least lets be consistent :) lol.
Yes I hear you about the whole the 4 being too convenient to be the Cylons themselves and how they came to that particular conclusion, and his interviews haven’t been all that convincing to be honest so maybe there is more than meets the eye here, however that damn song and what it actually means is pretty key here, or maybe it’s completely not.
As for Starbuck, I know that there is more than meets the eye however I think it’s fair to say that it wasn’t a give Michael, I mean c’mon all the interviews and the podcast and the lack of credits, they covered their tracks really well I thought. It seemed odd for sure but they played it right and I for one appreciate the effort they took to actually give me a twist in this preview intensive tv land :).
↓ Quote | 27/3/2007
Adama can’t be a Cylon. Remember from the pilot when he get’s stranded on the Anchorage with Leoden. Leoden gets sick from the radiation of the nebula. Adama then calls Leoden out for being a Cylon. They fight to the death. Adama didn’t get sick because he’s not a Cylon.
No, the final five are Anders, Tyrol, Tory and Tigh and Starbuck. They went to a lot of trouble to set it up that way. I doubt any other conclusion. The reveal is that these characters won’t necessarily be evil or adversarial to the human race.
Like I have said before, this is looking more and more like the Matrix all the time. The blacks and whites are fading to grey. I believe that the endgame will involve some sort of truce or preaceful resolution. The destiny of man and machine is one and the same.
↓ Quote | 28/3/2007
The Starbuck thing was definitely a given - Starbuck is one of the main focal points of the show to kill her off would defeat one of they factors holding the story together. Of course, I didn’t watch the interviews so I didn’t have anything other than the show itself leading me to believe the way I do.
As far as the 4 Cylons go - a buddy here at work told me about an interview he saw in which the producer (I think, the name has slipped my mind at the moment) said they are definitely Cylons.
This has led me to believe, based on Anders being sick on Caprica in the earlier seasons, that the last Cylon we see is the most human of them all (either Baltar or Roslin). This Cylon led to the creation of the 4 we just met who are also very human (they can get sick and have real internal issues - Tigh’s drinking for instance) These Cylons are basically the ringleaders and creators of the 7 others - in which they decided to devolve a bit (cause being sick sucks) and they are decidedly less human.
A lot of people have discounted Baltar as being a Cylon (based on them telling him no he wasn’t after his torture and all) which is exactly why I think he is. He is the most human character in the entire show. The other Cylons can’t really tell him no he’s not a Cylon because they don’t know themselves! None of them have seen the final 5 except for the one they shut off (#4?). Plus, one thing that has yet to be explained - how are Baltar and #6 so connected? How can they be within one another’s conscious? My belief: Baltar is the first Cylon and he is a part of all their conscious, he just doesn’t know it yet. How the connection was made between him and 6 is yet to be explained, but it exists - maybe through 6’s longing to be loved?
Roslin is another good choice - just because it would be so crazy. She had that connection with Hera and #6 in the last episode, which is interesting, but I think that will all come down to her having Hera’s blood running through her veins.
Starbuck is definitely not a Cylon just because that is the most obvious choice - people expect that.
An interesting thing to note is that they didn’t decide these last 4 were going to be Cylons until this season (according to the interview). This means there will be a lot of backtracking to explain things this upcoming season. For instance, what about Chief and Callie’s baby? Isn’t it special as well (being a hybrid).
Also, there is going to be that Pegasus mini-series, which I believe will clear a lot of things up as well.
I know I am jumping around, but going all the way back to Baltar really quick: you notice how much he looks like Jesus? Notice there are 12 Cylons (the 12 apostles)? If Baltar is the father of them all it would explain the connection between him and 6 (she wants love, you don’t get anymore love than from God himself). They have strayed away from the religious undertones a lot in this last season and I see those cropping up in this next season a lot.
The big thing throughout all of this is the phrase “All of this has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.” It will be interesting to see that explained.
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It’s an interesting theory, of course this does beg a couple of questions as far as I’m concerned. For example, if Baltar is a Cylon (which to be honest for me would make all the sense in the world based on his connection with #6 and the fact that he got BLOWN UP in the pilot episode but was saved by Trisha’s incredible legs, erm yeah whatever, he’s a FRAKKIN Cylon).
But I like your Jesus take. Seems like it would fit in nicely with the number of Cylons and potentially the backstory. Maybe he’s a Cylon can be a man with a mechanical brain or cybernetics or whatever, as the line between the two blur?
I think that’s what Ron Moore (the producer) has been talking about how the two things blur and we question what a Cylon actually is. It could be a man made hybrid? How much do you have to be machine to be a Cylon 50%, 30% ?
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I think the blurring he is referring to is emotionally, not physical. Lee’s speech in the last episode was one of the first steps in really showing how evil the humans have become.
Look at Roslin - if you watch the first few episodes she is meak, working for the people, etc. Now, she is a murderer, scandalous, and on the verge of attempting to become a monarch.
Adama had gone from battle-hardened Admiral who wants to kick some Cylon ass to this little guy who thinks he still plays a big part, but is really nothing more than a pawn in the president’s game.
The blurring is how the machines are bad, since they attacked us, yet we attack ourselves all the time - against one another as well as personal, emotional attacks, within ourselves.
↓ Quote | 29/3/2007
Ok. reset. Those four are geneticaly programmed to hear that song emitting in radio waves through the cosmos. They arent cylons. There could be others hearing that song also. As for Starbuck showing up like that, well, it is pretty clear to me that she is in his head (like dr. Baltar) because only he saw her fighter. Pres. Roslin received cylon blood so that could explain her shared dreams. I believe the final five are yet to be revealed. And the final take where they show the Earth, well, look again, there is too much green on that continent. where do we have forests that vast? No my friends, they are going to keeps waiting perhaps another season. Cheers!
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Sorry guys - http://tinyurl.com/3yv6o3 - says they are really cylons.
Special cylons, but still cylons.
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Verlow: Moore has already said yes they are Cylons. With the actor that plays Starbuck signed on for next year, I see that as really being her as well.
My personal belief - there were never any dreams. When Starbuck (blew up/ crashed/ whatever) going after that Cylon she was dreaming up - she wasn’t dreaming it, it was really Leoden getting her attention and showing her the way to Earth.
Why did he do this? I don’t know, but those two have a very odd sort of connection. Could they be a reference to Adam & Eve? A bit of a stretch and I haven’t even thought of how it could be possible - just thinking off the top of my head now.
I think the religious undertones I have been discussing here (Baltar = Jesus, Cylons = Apostles) are really a good place to start working this all out. Especially now that Moore has publicly compared Roslin to Moses.
He also said that 6 and Athena were different than the rest of the Cylons as well - my answer: they know what love is, thus they’re connection with one another in the last episode (as well as with Hera and Roslin due to Hera’s blood), and 6’s connection to Baltar.
Does this mean we’ll see some cross-connecting later on? If Roslin connected to 6 in the last episode, the chain goes: Roslin->Hera->Athena->6 with Boomer and 6 being connected because they are both Cylons that know what love is. This means Roslin and Baltar could connect in ways (Roslin->Hera->Athena->6->Baltar) or Baltar and Adama (it’s obvious Roslin and Adama have some feelings for one another).
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How can Tyrol and Tigh be Cylons? They didn’t get sick from the radiation at the Ragnar Anchorage. Leoben had been there for only a couple of hours and he was at the verge of death. I know there are a lot of crew on board the Galactica, but not enough to have transferred all of the live ammunition that they were shooting in less than a few hours, and then get it all loaded up into the weapons systems (because don’t forget, they were firing the rounds when they came out of the radiation cloud). If they really are Cylons, then that exibits some poor writing, which is not what I’ve come to expect from Galactica’s creators.
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@Vic
Ron Moore has said they didn’t decide these 4 were Cylons until this season, so yeah - there is a lot of discrepancy and a lot to go back and explain. The easy answer: he’s said these Cylons are fundamentally different.
Someone brought up an idea on my blog (the pingback of this post links to it) and it’s the only way I think they would make Starbuck a Cylon. I don’t think they would say at the end of the show that, “Yeah, Starbuck you’re a Cylon.” That is what everyone expects. But… if Starbuck ends up being a Cylon - and she has known about it the entire time, now that’s still surprising enough to get under people’s skin.”
What if the Cylons have been shown Earth and it is now Starbuck’s turn to show the humans that they can coexist with Cylons easily (as they have been doing with her, and Athena, etc) and they can all live happily ever after on Earth (and make lots of hybrids).
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no.the final cylon is adama’s son.think of it.he is high enough in the power structure and no on suspects him because he cant be a cylon if his father isnt one.of course everybody would agree adama sr cant be a cylon , (it would be dumb if he was) , so naturally everybody would overlook his son.my 10 cents
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There were some interesting revelations on the most recent iteration of the Moore podcast. First and foremost, Tory, Anders, Tigh and Tyrell ARE DEFINATELY Cylons. Second, Nicholas is a half-human hybrid.
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Is it just me or do all the final (4) Cylons have names with the letter T? You have Tory, Tigh, Tyrell, samuel T anders (bit of a stretch but then I can’t remember any other character having their middle name or initial mentioned so explicitly on so many occaisions). Who’s next? Mr T? Is this a conspiracy to have the ultimate A-Team & Battlestar Galactica crossover since a Cylon walked past Face?
I Jest, but I will just mention that Starbucks last name is Thrace.
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Can someone please tell me who are the 5 cylons with first names coz tyrol could be the chief or callie. Thank You
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Also, are they really known to be cylons or have u seen them and are just assuming they r?
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I think they are Cylons. They seemed to have more in common than the music…
They were all drawn to the (gym?) room. When they got there, they were ALL angry and surprised someone said that after all that is was like a “switch” had been flipped…
I think they were acting very much like they had been hit with a very sudden, horrible revelation. It went beyond the music.
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ty i saw the episode! It was fantastic the movie is comin out in autumn time so series 4 will start in 2008. Apparentley the movie is about the Adama Family and why the cylons were created and to be gotten rid of! It’ll be gr8! I hope Starbuck ain’t a Cylon and it was just a leap of faith to get to earth. Like when Indianna Jones needed to take a leap of faith to get to the other side to get the cup filled but there was no bridge.
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And that Tory better keep her hands off sAM now that Starbuck is back but she could choose lee as him and dualla are history.
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I agree with whoever said that the reason Roslin can hear music is because of hera’s blood within her (think about the episode with the virus that infected cylon’s but not humans who were immune, Sharon was protected because of hera’s cells (surprisingly, though not unheard of) crossing the placenta.) When i first watched the mini series i actually believed that 6 had implanted a chip in his head, but as ive seen the rest of the show i dont believe that anymore, i think its just his guilt and self-doubt that have manifested themselves in the form of a person who has affected them deeply.
likewise when starbuck was passed out in the cockpit during “maelstrom” and Leoden was talking to her in her dream, she said “you aren’t leoden are you?” and he said “I never said i was.” I think most of it has been in her head and no one is physically there to guide her to earth. Leoden is still a bad dude.
She’s going to “investigate the space between life and death” what does that even mean? Is it the second coming? is she the second coming of the son of the cylon’s “one god” meant to lead them to the promised land? and what was with all the torture her mother put her through to make her ready to face death? or face the unknown? They haven’t really addressed the human afterlife a lot in this series, i think it must be my inborn desire to overlook polytheism that makes me believe in the “one god” of the cylons. And if they are not evil then what are they?
I do think earth is supposed to be a place where everyone lives in harmony with everyone else, cylon and human
I’m of conflicting viewpoints as to whether or not starbuck is a cylon, she had a mother, and cylons dont generally have mothers. She also had an apparently single mother which makes me want to believe in the whole second coming theory, maybe starbuck is a hybrid? her mother knows she is special. The only way i can actually see her as coming back is if she is a cylon, or is in Lee’s head. The rest of the show has been grounded (relatively) in reality so someone miraculously surviving an explosion/coming back from the dead (unless you are jesus) is not likely to happen. So i think she’s a cylon but a good one
Another thing i dont understand is why a self-centered human like Baltar would be remotely pivotal in all of this, he can’t be jesus, he’s so fallible and weak.
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hi there
just watched n sky in the uk and WOW WOW WOW!!! didnt even suspect it andi vewatched it from the start, i agree with eveyrbodies comments here as with ron moore as hes shown in his previous sci fi outings “ANYTHING IS POSSIBL” when u lookk at his star trek credits his stories were always inciteful and twisty, AND LOVE THE SONG BY THE WAY
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Ok. I am way blown out of the water by the season finale. Because those 4? definitely a surprise. But I have to say it sort of makes sense if they are “fundamentally different”. All these people are placed in pivotal positions, close to the decision makers. As to the 5th, I think it well maybe Lee, although that’s just a hunch. But that presents difficulties because he was born, wasn’t he? Then again, fundamentally different and all. And I cannot wait to learn how different and why.
Yes, Moore’s comments re Moses and Roslin do nicely set up the Jesus/Apostles theory.
This has all happened before and will happen again.
That’s how the gospel goes.
On a personal level I reject the idea of Baltar being the father of them all, the Jesus figure, the great source of the Cylons. Yes, he is a very human character, but unless he programmed himself to be purposefully dense to the meaning of it all….and I do not see a purpose of that. He is too fallible and too petty. Starbuck…oh Starbuck. I also reject the idea that she is a Cylon and not because it seems the most convinient. I think Starbuck being a Cylon would be dissapointing. Are all main characters to be Cylons now? What, are Rosling and Adama Sr to be left as the only true and stalwart humans? That does not seem reasonable.
Regarding Starbuck’s mother. The cigarettes were curious, that’s a given. However the whole child abuse issue? Not to keen to see the point in that. The oracle, or priestess told Starbuck that she learnt the wrong lesson.
The season finale was amazing, it had all the balance and crafstmanship I have come to expect from the series and I am dead eager for the next season and the movie.
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The only thing I’m confused about it why noone got ill when they discovered the virus that only affects cylons (the one left behind by the 13th tribe on that beacon).
Gaius can’t be a cylon because he wasn’t affected by the virus when he went aboard the infected basestar and since some of the infected cylons were bought aboard the galactica I’m confused to how some of the final five did not become infected.
Saying that, it might just be a plot flaw or the way the virus was transmitted.
I would assume that Starbuck is a cylon otherwise it would be very hard to explain how she survived the crash. I just hope they don’t make her into some kind of ghostly higher being or summat. I like the fact that the show includes religious ideas but it is a sci-fi drama at the end of the day and it’s gritty realism it what makes it so good.
If they start turning people into ghosts and angels and stuff then I’ll be a little disappointed.
Either way, the show is ace. I can’t wait to see the next season to find out who the cylons are for sure.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention…
The whole fleet shut down at the end of the episode! That is pretty bad. I was wondering whether the song the cylons were hearing was their interpretation of a cylon computer virus that has infected the Galactica.
Maybe the cylons hear the computer virus as a song as it courses through the galactica’s systems.
It’ll be interesting to see how they explain that, although all the cylons explaining it as a song they heard from their childhood is a little weird and may go against that theory.
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Don’t forget earlier in the first or second series Ellen failed Baltar’s Cylon detector test. I think it has to be her as a cylon as shes now dead and out of people’s minds :) Tie in well if Tigh is a Cylon….
↓ Quote | 3/5/2007
1. The Chief being a Cyclon was very obvious. The way he is able to find problems with Vipers and other equipment by simply touching it. Hello. 2. Col. Tigh being a Cyclon was a surprise. But behind every great leader there is always the friend who is not as perfect with greater flaws to make the leader seem definately better. It’s going to be fun seein Col. Tigh in Season 4 interacting with the Agathon family. Will he still call Hera the Cyclon whelp and Helo the Cyclon lover still. 3. The other two Cyclons Anders and Tory. Anders is a great choice because he is in a similar position just like Col. Tigh. He has fought in two resistance and has no love for Cyclons. Tory, I don’t know. I think this is a weak choice and just a way to keep her in Season 4 story lines. I hope there is a Season 5. I don’t want to have everything thrown at us in one season with alot missing in-between…… : )
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Since Season One I has the suspicion that the Original series was part of this story. This new generation are all a clone race rebuilt by the Cylon to track down the original race…
Basicly this new war was simply to kick them out of the nest so the think-they-are-humans would all run off and find earth.
Somewhere around season 4 they would start running into things that would reinstate that paranoid feeling. Trust no-one because they are all part of a cylon conspiracy.
There on some little desert world is a Colonial Viper pilot corpse of someone called starbuck being looked after by an old mark one cylon centurion.
ANd who would Gaius Be? A clone of the original creator of the Cylon race. He might even meet himself…
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How about the XO’s wife Ellen. This show is so, so very good at resurecting a charactor that bites it…She is a Cylon. Not Tigh.
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I believe in the Jesus and Apostle theory with almost 100 percent certainty. I also believe that Lee Adama is a cylon, and the final Apostle considering he wanted to help Baltar out with his trial. Yes yes the stuff he mentioned while he was on the stand was important as well, but there must of been some deeper connection for him wanting to help out the number one traitor in the survivng human race.(just my opinion)
The song All Along the Watchtower must have a stronger meaning to it than just an ecaped radio signal… I mean just listen to the last verse.
“Outside in the distance, A wild cat did growl.
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl”
The cat growling in the distance symbolizes Earth making itself known within the fleet. The two riders symbolize the Humans and the Cylons. The wind which begins to howl might symbolize an epic battle somewhere in Season 4.
Paul G
SpG, Long Island
↓ Quote | 23/6/2007
I dont know, I need some help with this one. The four Cylons that are now known all have a T specifically said in there name.
Col. Tigh
Chief Tyrol
Samuel T Anders
Tory
Personally I believe that Starbuck is NOT a Cylon, but her last name begins with a T. Kara Thrace. If you could, please say your own opinion.
↓ Quote | 14/7/2007
In the season 3 finale the Cylons have jumped right behind the fleet. But i dont believe that they will attack. What i do believe is that word of the Final Five Cylons have been fully discovered within the cylon fleet.
That means that the Cylons will not attack because they are worried of killing the final five.
↓ Quote | 18/7/2007
Here is my theory….what do the last 4 cylons have in commom? New Caprica.
The cylons did something to Tyrol, Tye, Tory, and Sam. Maybe they are new cylons created just in case the fleet showed up for a rescue. Starbuck has to be a cylon, I can’t see a way out of it… as for the fifth cylon, I dont think we have seen that one yet. I mean, in episode 1 the cylons were trying to completly eradicate humans. It probably will come down to the cylons not realizing in the beginning that there was a 13th colony. I can’t figure out 1 thing…how did the Cylons cause a fleet wide power shutdown that seemed to affect Rosilyn? If they had that technology they could have destroyed the fleet long ago. For me that has to be explained. The last scene just blew me away, Great special effects.
↓ Quote | 27/7/2007
Not all of the Cyclons will attack the fleet. The inhibitor chip has been removed from some the Centurions and they will not attack the fleet for fear of killing the final five. A civial war within the Cyclon fleet will occur in season 4. Each of the final five Cyclons has been or are in positions of being 2nd in command. Example: Col. Tigh to Admiral Adama, Tory who is the personal assistant to President Roslyn, Sam Anderson saves and marries Hot Shot #1 pilot Starbuck and Tyrol is chief engineer of galactica ( everyone is dependent upon him keeping the ship and vipers in shape ). I STRONGLY BELIEVE THE 5TH CYCLON IT’S GOTTA BE LT. GATEA or Doctor Cottle. President Roslyn NO WAY.
↓ Quote | 29/7/2007
PEACE!!!!
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SO why does President Roslyn hear the music?! Everyone who heard the music in the finale is a cylon. Theories?
↓ Quote | 8/8/2007
Also one trend in the show is that if a cylon says you are a cylon, you are. Witness the cylon (Dean Stockwell?) telling chief that he and the chief were both cylons in “lay down you burdens”. The cylons in Baltar’s dream tell him he is not (stretching it I know). And Leobin tells Roslyn that “Adama is a Cylon” Which Adama? Discuss.
↓ Quote | 8/8/2007
The reason that President Roslyn can hear the music is due to Hera. Remember it was Hera’s blood type that placed the President in remission. After reading many articles over the last few months Admiral Adama could be the 12th Cyclon. An article I read referenced the 12 Cyclons as the old Greek gods with Adama being Zeus or Posiden. Who knows how the show will end. I just can’t wait until January of 2008.
↓ Quote | 29/8/2007
I believe in the Jesus and Apostle theory with almost 100 percent certainty. I also believe that Lee Adama is a cylon, and the final Apostle considering he wanted to help Baltar out with his trial. Yes yes the stuff he mentioned while he was on the stand was important as well, but there must of been some deeper connection for him wanting to help out the number one traitor in the survivng human race.(just my opinion)
The song All Along the Watchtower must have a stronger meaning to it than just an ecaped radio signal… I mean just listen to the last verse.
“Outside in the distance, A wild cat did growl.
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howlâ€
The cat growling in the distance symbolizes Earth making itself known within the fleet. The two riders symbolize the Humans and the Cylons. The wind which begins to howl might symbolize an epic battle somewhere in Season 4.
Paul G
SpG, Long Island
↓ Quote | 9/9/2007
When they do find Earth, I am hoping that the Earth has reached where they havent yet. They have been through their human-cylon like experience, and have now gone beyond. every human is born part synthetic (if you like), and they are stronger, more inteligent, think in a collective manner, but there is a catch - they dont believe there is God. It will be interesting to see a highly advanced Earth, one that can wipe both the human and cylons out easily, and the humans and the cylons each trying to convince them of their religious beliefs, only to fail miserably and have to join forces to survive against a new race that finds their beliefs - of one, or of many gods to be a corrupting threat they must destroy. Religion has caused great suffering in Earth’s history. They have been living in peace since its eradication, and now here come these two others who want to bring it all back?!!
↓ Quote | 25/9/2007
i don’t have time to read the other comments but did anybody see ep13 again? i just watched it and i have reached the conclusion that Gaeta is the last cylon. here’s why: when Gaeta is trying to convince Baltar to help them he sees the camera and then leans over to gaeta and whispers: “if your friends only new the truth. but don’t worry i can keep a secret.” you can’t hear the rest of the conversation but then Gaeta pushes Baltar away and screams FRACK YOU!!! and stabs him with the pen. after he stabs him he says: “i can’t let him live.” so here’s what i think. i think that Baltar tested Gaeta back in the 1st season but kept the results a secret just like he did with boomer. and Gaeta didn’t know because otherwise he wouldn’t have needed to tell him. plus the fact that he swears at him points in that direction. and why did Gaeta falsly testify against baltar? it seems a bit out of character but he must wan’t him dead because he knows something about him. And did anybody else notice how little we know about his past? everybody has some kind of backstory except him.
Now on to why everybody else isn’t a cylon. what cylons all have in commom is that they don’t have parents. So, in order for their cover to work nobody must have met their supposed family in the past.
Kara isn’t a cylon because we know her mother and she was a soldier and it would have been extremely easy for her story to be blown to pieces.
Now the admiral probably isn’t a cylon because that lawyer knew his father. But why then did Leoben tell Roslin that he was??? it’s probably just so that he could shake her up but everything else he said has been proven true.but on the other hand none of the 7 cylons knew who the final 5 were.
tell me what you think!!! :-)
↓ Quote | 19/11/2007
Emily, I’ve got to say that it’s an interesting theory, honestly it does seem like something fishy is going on with Gaeta. I’ll definitely check out the episode again once I get the third season again.
↓ Quote | 20/11/2007
Just gotta say: Roslin wasn’t able to hear the music:) Go back and watch the last episode…
↓ Quote | 2/12/2007
The suggestions of a Baltar-Jesus connection seem far-fetched unless you’re going to accept Baltar’s many character flaws (sefishness, lust, cowardice, murder, inept leadership, etc) as divine. i guess the analogy could be considered sarcastic or revisionist in the tradition of Ken Kesey’s “one flew over the cuckoo’s nest” and the Joe Christmas character in Faulkner’s “Light in August.” But I don’t see it.
↓ Quote | 16/1/2008
did anyone notice right at the end of season 3 starbuck was appearing and dissappearing just like she saw the cylon raider in Maelstrom? and also, did you notice that the nebula looked very, very similar to The Passage’s star cluster, and then again in the clouds in Maelstrom just as Kara dies. This cant just be a coincidence. there has to be some kind of connection.
As for Roslin being a cylon, NOT POSSIBLE, Ron Moore said himself that Roslyn was sort of like Moses, only being able to show the way to the promised land, but not going there herself, meaning that either she is going to die, or she is not the one to fulfill that prophecy. and if she is a cylon, Why would a cylon get cancer?
I believe that the final five cylons are non-ressurectable, because all the other cylons would have to do is visit the ressurection ship and look at the shells. (the cheif must be a cylon, why else wouldnt he suffer decompression sickness (the benz) when his wife did?)
Now this last part is something to consider, no matter how far fetched it sounds, it is, after all from what we have seen on battlestar, possible. And after all, they are just THEORIES.
the reference to “All of this has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.†I think this is some abstract way of saying that time is relevant to the observer. just consider, that for one moment Gais is the son of cheif and cally, and Roslyn is the daughter of Sharon and Heilo.
It completely explains the fact that they share vision with some of the cylons, because they, themselves are half-cylon.
Ron Moore is seriously trying to throw us off the scent. He wants us to believe that starbuck is the fifth cylon, when in fact she is only part of Li Adama’s fractured mind, consider it, the nebula must have reminded him of when he saw THE WOMAN HE LOVED die right in front of him. the sighting of starbuck is a figment of his imagination. He wants her to be alive, thats why he saw her.
↓ Quote | 7/2/2008
Also, the last two lines of “All Along The Watch Tower”
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
in the distance a wildcat does growl, exactly HOW MANY Bay ships?
Two riders, being Li and (the probable imagination of) starbuck.
Li Adama has to do something so extraordinary, with the guidance of starbuck that he forces the cylons to withdraw their attack.
↓ Quote | 7/2/2008
I believe that the final cylon is dualla.
Her first name means resurcation.
Leobon said in season one that “adama is a cylon”
Since dualla married lee her last name is now adama.
She is close to the old man. The other four are connected to someone powerfull
She lost the olypmic carrier in the mini series.
In episode Valley of darkness dualla was the only surviver in that room.
↓ Quote | 4/4/2008
I agree that Ron Moore wants to throw us off the scent, but I think his method is to set up certain characters to look like they could be cylons, then with a surprise twist reveal the fifth cyclon to be someone we never though of.
To me the obvious candidates for the fifth cylon are Gaias Baltar and Kara Thrace. Gaias because of his visions, he’s been seeing that image of number six since the pilot episode and recently saw a vision of himself (like number six does). Now Kara as we all know has visions, and also mysteriously reappeared as if by magic after we all saw her die, her ship too seemed brand-new even though it has been through the wars previous.
However, I think Kara’s reppearance will remain unsolved, but will be attributed to either the Olympian God’s or the Cylon God (or both). Baltar could still be a cyclon, but I doubt it because it’s too obvious, besides - why didn’t the centurions recognize him when he was with the cylon fleet? plus in one episode he failed in an attempt to commit suicide and his vision of six told him that it showed he wasn’t a cylon.
Whoever the fifth cylon is - is probably dead, and even if alive they weren’t present in the fleet in the days leading upto the Ionian nebula, because they would’ve heard the music just like the others did. Although this logic does also lean itself towards Kara being a potential cylon. For me the two best candidates in fact are; Ellen Tigh (Colonel Saul Tigh’s wife) and Louanne “Kat” Katraine. I thought Ellen Tigh was a cylon the first time I saw her, she was intelligent, calulating and manipulative; Kat however seemed very worried about Admiral Adama finding something out about her, and she felt extremely guilty about it to the point of trying to confess to it on her death bed, too guilty and worried to be due to her former occupation as a drug rummer if you ask me.
Based on their characters or positions other potentials to me would include Billy Keikeya, Admiral Helena Cain, her first officer Colonel Jack Fisk, priest Elosha, the Pegasus security officer Lieutenant Alastair Thorne; or Tom Zarek. But for a real twist to be as effective as possible it would need to be someone that none of us would ever suspect, like Zack Adama, Lee Adama, Dualla or Felix Gaeta. In most of these possibilities they must be resurrectable.
I don’t think it Bill Adama, or President Roslin are cylcons, I think the bases are covered by their closest aids (Tigh and Torri).
But I guess we’ll see.
↓ Quote | 29/4/2008
I’d say the last Cylon is either Dualla, Gaeta, Roslin or Zarek (unless he died and I didn’t notice… didn’t he sort of disappear in the middle of season 3?)
My money is on Dualla. I have a theory that Cylons can only really love non-Cylons. Every Cylon is trying to make a baby with a non-Cylon. Athena/Helo, Tyrol/Cally, Six/Baltar, Leoben/Starbuck, Sam/Starbuck. It doesn’t really make sense for Lee to be a Cylon because his whole life’s timeline is accounted for but he could easily be married to one. And Christy makes the excellent point that her family name is now Adama.
Also, all the Cylons frak things up subconsciously… Dualla is in charge of communications and would be in a key position to “accidentally” screw up something to the Cylons’ advantage.
It’s definitely not Starbuck… why would they take her ovary if she was a Cylon?
↓ Quote | 3/5/2008
The answers are in the commercial pics and the previews for the next weeks shows. They show the last supper of Christ and substituted the BSG crew for the disciples. Do not read farther unless you want the show spoiled…..
On the previews, it shows Baltar coming out of the resurection goo/tub that cyclons re-load into. Second coming of Christ? There are a couple of hybrid babies and he and Six are the Adam and Eve of the “new” mankind. “Remember everything that has happened will happen again.” Hence this Jesus is flawed, but he is not “man” nor the son of God.
They told us upfront on the new season to watch the pics and previews for clues and were pretty blatant on putting them on there.
↓ Quote | 13/5/2008
Don?t praise yourself going into battle; praise yourself coming out of battle,
↓ Quote | 30/5/2008